Herters Reloading Die Instructions
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Picked up one of these and have had good luck with it so far. It was made years ago (mid 60's perhaps?) and one thing I had to do to it was to lightly polish and open up the inner diameter of the sizing die's opening with a fine grit sandpaper, as sometimes the bases would get crushed due to the tight fit of the sizer. Now they size successfully and I have yet to lose a base after the polish.
Since I picked up a Texan reloader I haven't used these all that much.
Shotgun roll crimpers
Information gleaned from: Shotgunworld Forums
I've made roll over tools in both .410 and 12g which work just
I've made a roll crimper from a scrap piece of brass from a hose fitting. It seems to do a pretty good job on the Euro hulls I've roll crimped. I need a better holder for the base, it can get a little tricky trying to hold the base firmly while avoiding scratches.
Unlike normal molds, this uses a center pillar and shot is clipped from the pillar with snips that are shaped to the shot (to prevent flats).
More conventional styled buckshot molds in various sizes can be found via forum member "skiesunlimited" on the Castboolits forum. I *finally* managed to get some from skiesunlimited! I'll share results.
Data copied from different sources...
Quoted Per Lee Reloading: "The drive key slug can be safely fired through an Improved Cylinder choke".
The booklet "Shotgun Slug Loading & Field Applications" from Ballistic Products Inc. has info for slugs and round ball loads, including velocity and pressure tests.
The .715" round ball, without a wad shoots best in .730" barrels as long as the choke is not smaller than .003" less than the ball.
Improved hardness - cooked for one hour at 450-485 degrees and a cool water quench. Should give a hardness scale of around 30BRN, somewhere up to 48 hours after heating.
Federal; foreign = Straight wall hulls
Note: Lyman book images are not actual size (printed slightly smaller).
Longshot powder has application in 2 3/4" loads.
When playing around with wads for slugs or balls, avoid those that have a rib inside the petals as they tend to shear off. The best wad [we] have found for the Lee Key Slug is the Federal 12 ga 12S3. Use hard 20 ga nitros under the slug to adjust wad column height.
12 gauge 7/8 loads from Hodgdon website (current as of Nov 2009):
Wolf Shotshell Reload Data
12s0 = wads for straight-walled hulls (federal, fiocchi, etc) should work for Wolf; Max SAAMI PSI 11,500
[Wolf Hulls] are Cheddite hulls and load like any of the other straight walled euro hulls (Rio's, Mirage, Clever etc). You might get 3 reloads from them. They can be loaded with any of the wads designed for straight walled hulls like the DR XXL Orange, Fed 12S0 and clones CB 3118ar, CB 6100 etc. Purple Fiocchi data works well as does Federal. You'll need a euro type primer like Chedite, Nobel Sport, Fiocchi as the euro primers are slightly larger than our Win, CCI, Fed & Rem 209 as they would be a bit loose in the primer pocket.
Most of the time it is advisable to use a Cheddite, NobelSport, Fiochhi primer
in these hulls. The primer pocket tends to be fuzz larger than what you would
find in a Remington, Winchester, Federal and these "big three" primers tend to
be loose or even fall out of these import hulls pretty regularly
Saiga-12 Slug Tests
Slug tests out of my Saiga-12 18" barrel with factory-style grooved flash suppressor
The goal is to establish a velocity baseline and use as standard loads to favor longer-range accuracy vs. sheer velocity. Using 1 oz Lee Slugs as that's the die we have available (for now). Ideal pie-in-sky scenario is 200-yard hits on deer and/or man-sized targets :)
The following chrono results are from my first two test runs of lee loads. All loads follow published load data from Hodgdon and/or Lee where applicable. Tests made in dry conditions with temps in the mid-60's-70's.
Best Load Results so far:
Alliant Unique Data is baseline
- Win AA hulls w/ factory fold crimp
Consistent velocities noted (All within 30 FPS)
Tight, accurate groups noted
Loads comparable to Lyman 1oz data
- Rem hulls w/ factory fold crimp
Wad overshot card can help crimp uniformity
Raw data (from my field notes)
HS6 | Federal 209 | Fold Crimp
This time using only Wolf Hulls and Lee's Federal load data
HS6 | Cheddite 209 | Roll Crimp
Velocity was slightly higher and there was a noticeable muzzle flash even with the flash suppressor. Round 3 will use a 10% powder reduction to compensate for the Cheddite 209's higher burn. Round 3 still had noticeable muzzle flash, and the shells seem to be charred enough to indicate the rounds are running hotter than an "average" load. I will probably reduce the load even more.
Latest round testing was mainly for grouping - Using Wolf Hulls and reduced Lee Federal load data, the average groups were around 8-12" at 50 yards from my (unchoked) Saiga-12 19" barrel. Used only the factory design flash hider. Definitely suitable for use on a deer-sized target at "normal" shotgun ranges. I'm going to see how well the rifled choke tubes increase grouping.
Load and slug notes
The so-called "Paradox" slugs designed around the premise to use conventional bullet designs in a smoothbore. Slugs originally developed for British Victorian-era safari hunts. Modern rifled bore shotguns can see some benefit from this slug design.
Crimping for autoloaders - note the curves of the shells here. Some autoloaders need this "taper crimp" for reliable feeding. So far my Saiga has not shown any feeding issues without it. Some of the reloaded crimps have a "pucker" around the top due to the condition of the case; this may help remove those puckers. Trimming the cases before crimping can reportedly also remove the pucker.
All-Brass Shotshell Reloading Notes
Information gathered from various sources... I have not personally tested any of the assertions, but it makes for interesting reading:
Flechette rounds, I've read, were developed to "flush out" snipers hidden in trees in Vietnam. Some recent attempts at building these as a home defense round have been made. Here are the specs for the "new" flechette rounds - impressive stats! While I don't think they will ever replace buckshot as a general-purpose home defense round, these could have some use as a low-recoil defense round.
We picked up a bag of the 1" flechettes at a gun show. Figured we'd give them a try. The rounds were loaded light and we weren't impressed. The light loads seem to be too light to stabilize the darts and they tumbled into the target. We'll have to experiment further with a heavier charge and possibly supporting the base with a wood spacer plug to keep the darts from digging into the wad. Stay tuned.
Less-lethal rubber buckshot info. It is not NON-lethal as it can still kill at close range. When employed at intended ranges it is non-lethal.
Military designation M1013 non-lethal area target cartridge consisting of 18 .23 caliber rubber pellets at 900 FPS for a range of 5-30 meters.
Approximate starting loads are around 10 gr of Bullseye.
Win 452AA Powder Notes
Dad still has a ton of this stuff and we're going to try to use it all up! :)
Information gleaned from various sources:
Its equivalent is indeed Trap 100 - they're the same powder. Hodgdon and Winchester both listed metallic cartridge data for it. W452AA powder was made by a supplier which also sold it to Hodgdon who marketed it as Trap100. Titegroup is completely unrelated "with different grain structure and chemical makeup" to quote the Hodgdon expert.
Powder burn rates:
#11 Win 231
#13 Hi Skor 700-X
#14 Win 452AA
#15 Green Dot
Two other burn rate charts show it being between W231 and HP-38
- An older WInchester data book and it lists WST in 12ga loads, 20ga 3/4oz loads , 38 Spl, 40 S&W, 10mm & 45 ACP loads.
- 452AA is listed in Lyman's Shotshell Handbook 3rd Edition in the 12, 16 and 20 gauge sections. In the 12 gauge section it is used for 1 1/8 oz loads and is listed between Red Dot and Hi-Skor 700 (don't know if that placement in this list has anything to do with the burn rate or not). In the 16 gauge section it is listed with 1 oz loads between Red Dot and Unique. In the 20 gauge section it is listed as a7/8 oz load in the "lead spot" and just before Green Dot. Actually, there are very few listings for this powder in the entire book. I still have a pound of it from when I used to load "lead" shotgun (liked Unique and SR 7625 better) and until I read the above comments I had no idea where I could use it.
- Note: Per Handloader’s Digest 1994, 13th. Edition, Scot 453 “performs almost Identically to Winchester 452AA”
1. .45 ACP (5" bbl) -
180g lead SWC, 5.6 to 5.7 gr, 1.250 OAL, chronos @ 1000 fps on a warm (80 degree) day.
2. .45 ACP (5" bbl) -
200g lead SWC, 5.2 to 5.4 gr, 1.250 OAL, chronos @ 900 fps on a warm (80 degree) day.
3. .38 Super (5" compensated, but not ported race gun, bar-sto fully supported bbl) -
115 g Win. FMJ HB bulk pack bullets, 4.5 to 4.6 gr, 1.263 OAL, chronos @ about 1100 fps on a warm (80 degree) day. Can be down loaded to about 3.5g using this bullet for lighter sub-minor power factor loads (like the steel challenge stuff). This is a very accurate mouse load in the .38 super.
I used 452AA for IPSC in the .45 back in the day, and it is a very good powder for that. Very accurate, soft shooting, and works a compensator well. I still use it in .38 super for minor loads...at least until the last 5 lbs. or so that I have is gone. I don't think I'd be inclined to try and make major power factor with 452AA in the .38 super as when overloaded it starts to show pressure signs (primer flow) pretty quickly. WW540, HS-6, or AA #7 (and now lots of others) are much better for making major in the .38 Super.
452AA Shotgun Loads
452AA 12 gauge:
"Standard 16yd trap load":
452AA is listed in the tenth edition Winchester Reloading Components Catalog and Ball Powder Propellant Loading Data, copyright 1985. Per Winchester, this is the powder to duplicate the ballistics of 12 ga Double AA factory loads.
The load described as duplicating the factory Winchester 2-3/4 dram equivalent AA plus Target Load is:
1-1/8 oz shot
Win 209 primer
19.5 gr of 452AA powder
WAA12 wad in a compression-formed hull
12 gauge, 1 1/8 oz
Win AA, (obviously these aren't the new HS) Hulls.
25 gr. 473AA*
Win 209 Primer
Win WAA12 (White) wad
1255 fps 9,500 LUP
*Reduce the powder to 23.5 gr. 473AA
All other components same gives you 1200 fps and 8,500 LUP
**The same two recipes work for the Rem RXP hulls but add 100 LUP pressure to each. I believe those would be the old green ribbed hulls.
452AA 16 gauge:
Winchester 2 3/4" hulls:
Win 209 primer
Rem SP16 wad
1165 FPS @ 10300 LUP
CCI 109 primer
Rem SP16 wad
1165 FPS @ 10500 LUP
452AA 20 gauge:
AA CF hull
Rem. RXP-20 + 410 .135 card filler wad.
3/4 oz. Shot
1200 FPS @ 9,300 LUP
AA CF hull
18.0 grs. 473AA
7/8 oz. shot
1200 FPS @ 10,900 LUP
Winchester reloading Components Catalog, 1985 edition:
185 grain FMJ, Wadcutter
Start: 4.0 gr = 686 FPS / 11,500 # pressure
Max: 4.5gr = 769 FPS /13,800 # pressure.
452AA 2.9Gns = 800fps / 12,500CUP
452AA 3.4Gns = 845fps, 15,500CUP
Data for Trap 100
(Interchangeable with 452AA):
Hodgdon's 25th edition.
.45 ACP *MAX* loads
200 gr SWC
834 fps 14,900#
230 gr Jacketed
828 fps 15,800#
210 grain JHP
954 fps 14,800#
225 grain JHP
832 fps, 15,800#
215 grain lead gas check
832 fps 15,800#
Source: Practical Reloading Manual, 1993 by Nick Harvey, First Edition :
452AA Starting load: 4.4Gns = 750fps
452AA Maximum load: 5.0Gns = 850fps
452AA Starting load: 4.0Gns = 700fps
452AA Maximum load: 5.2Gns = 900fps
Speer manual #11, 1988 ed
185g Speer TMJ Match
Start: 4.3gr = 757 FPS
Max: 4.7gr = 819 FPS
200g Speer TMJ Combat
Start: 5.0gr = 841 FPS
Max: 5.5gr = 898 FPS
200g Speer HP
Start: 5.0gr = 868 FPS
Max: 5.5gr = 916 FPS
200g FMJ or HP
452AA 5.0 start - 5.5 max.
Start: 4.6gr = 730 FPS
Max: 5.1gr = 797fps
230gr Speer TMJ
Start: 4.7gr = 760 FPS
Max: 5.3gr = 825 FPS
260gr Speer HP
Start: 4.6gr = 712 FPS
Max: 5.0gr = 786 FPS
.45 Auto Rim
200 Speer LSWC
Start: 3.5gr = 665
Max: 4.0gr = 743
240 Speer SP, HP, TMJ
Start: 12.5gr = 1197 FPS
Max: 13.5gr = 1205 FPS
220 Speer SP
452AA Start: 8.3gr = 1004
452AA Max: 9.3gr = 1052
148 Speer HBWC
Start: 3.0gr = 758 FPS
Max: 3.3gr = 812 FPS
158 Speer LSWC, LSWC HP
Start: 5.0gr = 960 FPS
Max: 5.5gr = 1004 FPS
110 Speer HP
Start: 12.5gr = 1434 FPS
Max: 13.5gr = 1488 FPS
125 Speer SP, HP
Start: 10.5gr = 1261 FPS
Max: 11.5gr = 1349 FPS
148 Speer BBWC
Start: 2.8gr = 772 FPS
Max: 3.1gr = 802 FPS
148 Speer HBWC
Start: 2.8gr = 743 FPS
Max: 3.1gr = 787 FPS
158 Speer LSWC, LRN, LSWC HP
Start: 3.6gr = 763 FPS
Max: 4.0gr = 842 FPS
125g HP +P Load
Max: 5.1 gr = 968 FPS
110gr Speer HP +P load:
Start: 4.5gr = 934 FPS
Max: +P 5.4gr = 1072 FPS
95 Speer TMJ
Start: 3.3gr = 913 FPS
Max: 3.7gr = 1016 FPS
Start: 4.9gr = 1064 FPS
Max: 5.4gr = 1142 FPS
95 Speer TMJ
Start: 6.5gr = 1316 FPS
Max: 7.2gr = 1336 FPS
110 Speer HP
Start: 3.0gr = 796 FPS
Max: 3.3gr = 857 FPS
125 Speer SP, HP
Start: 3.1gr = 792 FPS
Max: 3.4gr = 844 FPS
148 Speer BBWC
Start: 2.9gr = 703 FPS
Crimped in top lube groove: 3.2 736 FPS
.32 S&W Long
90 Speer HBWC
Start: 1.6gr = 674 FPS
Max: 1.8gr = 737 FPS
.32 H&R Magnum
100 Speer Plinker
Start: 4.4gr = 953 FPS
Max: 4.9gr = 990 FPS
90 Speer HBWC
Start: 2.3gr = 780 FPS
Max: 2.5gr = 811 FPS
100 Speer Plinker
7.3gr = 1424
8.1gr = 1476
110 Speer Varminter
6.8gr = 1313
7.4gr = 1339
110 Speer Spire Point, Round Nose
6.8gr = 1246
7.4gr = 1295
130 Speer HP, Flat Nose
6.4gr = 1159
7.1gr = 1217
Pressures are usually less with roll crimp, but don't have to be, necessarily: how 'hard' you build your load and how new the hull is has a lot to do with it. However ... Gualandi has data showing to maintain the same pressure with a frangible disk or .030 card wad and a fold-crimp, you need +.75 to +1.5gn for the roll-crimp.
If your head is not hot, you're wasting your time until it heats up to 'can't hold it'. Turn a junk hull down to the brass to get the head hot.
Lee slug diameter is .675" and when you put the slug in a good load:
.135" or .200"inch felt/nitro in shot cup
Snug fit for a smooth bore:
wall thickness of.060 + .675 = total
diameter of slug + wad for overall diameter of .735
Roll Crimp Info:
Use a drill press not a hand drill.
* use Silicone lub spray or WD-40 as lubricant to roll crimp
* dust the wads with motor mica for for better smoother launch.
* good straight wall hulls like Cheddite, Fiocchi, or Federal Gold Metal hulls work well
* the forcing cone can cause wad petals to buldge back or cut. Try polishing the forcing cones for a smoother launch
* you can cast the slugs with wheel weight and quench in cold icy water or heat treat them in an oven for 40 minutes to 300*
degrees and water quench to harden! Heat treated slugs that will not deform, break up, smash large bones and cause
massive tissue damage
**By increasing the meplat ( nose ) area....there is more energy deposit and larger cavity. Beyond that it is tailoring the load/slug to the gun and impact distance
7/8 oz = 382.8 grains
1 ounce = 437.5 grains
1.125 o = 492.2 grains
1.25 oz = 546.8 grains
1.50 oz = 656.25 grains
remington RXP12 power piston
1oz to 1-1/8oz target loads (x500 White )
-wad has spines on petals = no slugs
1 1/4 oz loads
- current item - (x500 Brown)
Two piece wad for Gold Medal, Paper - (x30 Red Base)
1-1/8 to 1-1/4 oz loads
Performs best in straight wall cases such as Federal paper or plastic and Fiocchi.
Optimum load is 1-1/8 oz.
Replacement: Claybuster Wads 12 Gauge CB3118-12AR (Replaces 12C1) 1-1/8 oz
5/16" plastic cup = .175" gas seal
3/8" cork / fiber = .365"
RXP12 wad recipes:
buckshot "0" low recoil load:
Hull = Rem STS
Prim = Win 209
Powder = 26 grains Universal Clays (Hodgdon)
Wad = Rem RXP12 w/ (1) 20ga 1/8" felt wad under pellets
9 Pellets of 0 Buck (not 00) layered in 3 layers of 3.
One .030" over shot card (optional)
Standard folded crimp
Hull: Winchester AA
Primer: CCI 209
Powder: 18-19 gr. 700X
1-1/8 oz. #8shot
Hull: Winchester fold crimp
Primer: cci 209
Powder: 700x 19.5 grs
Wad: Remington RXP12
Velocity 1238 / pressure 9300 lup
Hull: Rem STS
Primer: Rem 209
Powder: 24.5gn Unique
Wad: Rem RxP12
1-1/8oz #6 shot
Hull: Rem STS
Primer: Rem 209P
Powder: 17.0 gr 700X
Wad: Rem RXP12 wad
1 1/8 oz shot: 1183 fps
Rem Express w/intergral basewad
30.0 grains SR 4756
Rem Power Piston RXP12 with the petals removed
1 x 12 1/2" fibre | Fold crimp |
.690" pure lead ball
Hodgdon 2001 reloading manual:
2.75" rem/sts plastic shells | 7/8 oz slug | Clays powder | Fed. 209A primer | Activ TG-30 wad
HULL = Rem STS/Nitro / Win AA
PRIMER = Win 209/CCI 209
POWDER Hodgdon HS-6 38.0 grains
WAD = CB 0178-12 or WAA12L or DR XXL-78
SLUG = 7/8 oz (Lee Mold/Lyman Mold 475 grain)
Velocity = 1550 f.p.s. 9900 p.s.i.